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Ewhaley
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I ordered a Wallbox charger before they announced a partnership with Fisker . Was looking to return it to get the one with the car . Got a few details on the charger coming with the car in the process. 

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rr191
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Is it likely that there will be any enhanced communication between the Ocean and the Wallbox unit that would make the Wallbox unit more attractive than another brand?


   
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@carlh I bought the Wallbox unit last year (non Fisker branded).  The main reason I chose the Wallbox over some other cheaper units was mostly that the Wallbox allows for power sharing between multiple units so you could have a unit for each car on the same circuit breaker and the units would communicate with each other to make sure they do not pull too much power when both/all are charging.  (For now, I share the one unit for both our cars but nice to know have the option of installing a second unit.)

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@pastiche Thanks.  Autel ( https://autelenergy.us/pages/about-us ) seems to be a worthwhile/credible alternative.  Was only mildly curious about the solar power hookup, as I don't have any such thing and likely won't in the foreseeable future.    As I'm continually being asked to accept other extra-charges for this Fisker adventure, would like to occasionally come out ahead in some column!


   
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I just popped for the Wallbox. All up it was $574 which seems OK. When spring comes around I'll need to dig a trench and run wire to the garage that can handle the current.


   
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Is a Wallbox really necessary if I already have a 240v outlet installed? 

Can't I just plug the charger chord into the 240v outlet without a Wallbox?  I just plug my Tesla charging chord directly into my 240v outlet. 

I purchased a "NeoCharge Smart Splitter" that could charge 2 EV's with one 240v outlet.


   
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Posted by: @birney

Is a Wallbox really necessary if I already have a 240v outlet installed? 

Can't I just plug the charger chord into the 240v outlet without a Wallbox?  I just plug my Tesla charging chord directly into my 240v outlet. 

I purchased a "NeoCharge Smart Splitter" that could charge 2 EV's with one 240v outlet.

The Wallbox is not necessary.  By "charger cord" I am assuming you are referring to the mobile connector as EVs do not have cords.  Fisker has not indicated they will be including a mobile connector with the car so if you do not purchase the Wallbox, you will either need to purchase a different unit or you can purchase a Tesla-to-J1772 adapter and use your Tesla connector with the Ocean. 

 

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@TT97: So, I'm a little confused.  We are not sure if the Fisker will come with a Mobile Connector?  Then I guess the Wallbox will act as the Mobile Connector. 

If a Mobile Connector doesn't come with the Fisker, how would we be able to connect to a 120v outlet if we are traveling and that's the only thing available? Would we need to take the Wallbox with us and get an adapter? 

Sorry, specific concerns because my Tesla M3 came with everything I needed from day 1.


   
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@birney it is looking like we will have to purchase our own portable level 1 EVSE. I asked Wallbox if they had plans to manufacture one and the response. I got was no. There are lots of Chinese devices for sale on Amazon for $150-300. They generally have a 1 year warranty and are not UL or similar safety certified. Currently the ClipperCreek PCS-15 level 1 EVSE is portable, USA made, 3 year warranty, EnergyStar, UL certified. Grizzl-e is in the process of releasing a portable device but not clear if it is a level 1 or 2.


   
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I just purchased a Wallbox charger from Fisker with the discount and net price with sales tax in Mew Jersey is (0 shopping) is $545+$36 tax= $581

i contacted Coil for installation and their cost is quite high

Vehicle Charging - EV Charger Installation

TOTAL $2,147.00
qty 1.0 unit price $1,299.00 amount $1,299.00
- Install an EV Charger
- Determine safe load for charger up to 60 amps
- Panel to be in garage and on the same floor where vehicle is parked within 20 ft
- Modern electrical system with sufficient space for breakers - excludes panel upgrades or sub panel installations
- Excludes electrical panels located in unit, multi-family units where only the meters are located in the garage
- Cost includes installation within 15 feet of the electrical panel, each additional 10 feet will incur a $250 charge
- All conduit and wiring to be surface mounted on walls or exterior of building. Excludes any in wall wiring, painting or patching.
** Estimate only** price subject to change / verification in field for conditions and length of run which were based on the pictures and information the customer supplied. Any changes will be reviewed and approved with the customer before proceeding with installation.
Vehicle Charging - Conduit Run with Wires Installed - Each 10 Feet 1.0 $250.00 - All conduit and wiring to be surface mounted on walls or exterior of building. Excludes any in wall wiring, painting or
patching.
Permits & Fees - Permit Fee for EV Charger 1.0 $299.00 -EV Permit fee with building department
*Service cancellation policy: For any cancellations that occur after the service has been scheduled, the client is responsible to pay any permit fees. Due upon cancellation.
Permits & Fees - Inspection Fee 1.0 $299.00 Coordinate inspection(s) with Building Department. Includes any required rough inspections, plus final inspection and
$250.00
$299.00
$299.00
$2,147.00
Total $2,147.00

my local licenses electrician will do to for $300 materials $400 labor - a huge saving. He also

mentioned not worth taking permits and inspection as you are doing a temporary 240v installation. (If you sell the house, new owner can take permits or you can dismantle it)

question- permits and inspection adds $600. Is it works it and needed?


   
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PAKTechPaul
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I had a similar experience, when researching the Wallbox, plus their partner Coil.  My bid came in at $2596, but that included the 40 amp Wallbox charger.

It looks to me like this Coil company is simply a broker for "certified" electricians, and they broker it out, once you sign the contract, along with take their cut.

I found a local electrician who will do it for $500 total, parts and labor, for a through wall, and conduit run, of approximately 10 feet (to a 14-50 outlet box).  My breaker box is just on the other side of the garage wall.  This quote does not include the local permitting, which my electrician said he would do, if I really wanted, but would double the price.  I am choosing not to pursue the permit - can it really be more risky than ordering a car that you have only seen pictures, have sat in only recently, and plunked $5K for a firm reservation?? ? 

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Mathewpv
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@paktechpaul u r right - the Coil guys are just a broker and taking a hefty cut like Uber. It is a simple connection like providing a 240v outlet for tou dryer/washer and AC/heating units


   
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carcharodon
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I would expect that getting a permit is prerequisite for getting any state incentives for installing a charger.

In Maryland it is 40% of the cost up to $700, so these can get pretty significant.


   
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Pastiche
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@carcharodon so, what's the point of the federal 30% discount on the first 1000$ of the charger and installation, if later on you need a permit for that? 30% of tax return on a maximum of 1000$ is 300$ back max in taxes... if the permit is 500$, it still worths not to ask for the permit, and you would still "gain" 200$, correct?


   
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@pastiche until you try to sell your home and then you need to either remove the unpermitted installation, or get a permit after the fact.

Will I get my Fisker One delivered before my VW needs its 100K service?? The race is on..
and…… will we still get the $7500 tax credit? Only HF knows…


   
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You all have some crazy expensive permits! Here in Houston the permit for installing an EV charging appliance is as follows (plus a $30 administrative fee). FWIW, having done this 3x, the most effective way I found was as follows: hire an electrician, install a NEMA 14-50 outlet, the end.

Then purchase whatever charging appliance you would like and plug it in. The incremental speed of the hardwired 50A connection has never gotten me more than the solace of knowing the vehicle has reached a full state of charge at 3 am instead of 4 am. YMMV

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