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I ordered a Wallbox charger before they announced a partnership with Fisker . Was looking to return it to get the one with the car . Got a few details on the charger coming with the car in the process. 

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The Wallbox will not be included with the Fisker Ocean.  They will be available for purchase.  The Fisker version of the Pulsar Plus will be 40A because it has a NEMA 14-50 plug.  The other version is a hardwire that handles up to 48A.  I suppose it is news that Fisker will only offer the 40A and not the 48A version. Thanks for the post!   

One thing we don't know is pricing for the Fisker version.  Will it be cheaper than the $649 40A or $699 48A already on sale?

More info on the two versions:  https://wallbox.com/en_us/types-electric-car-chargers

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One thing to note, the plug-in 40A Wallbox can also be hardwired - the plug unscrews easily to wire directly to your circuit.  Really, appears the only difference between the Wallbox and the Fisker unit is the branding on the removable cover plate.  It will be interesting to see the pricing.

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What I am looking for is the release of the Wallbox Quasar2 V2X charging system in 2023.

Has Fisker announced if they will provide a level 1 charger? I don’t recall seeing that information.


   
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I have been waiting for the benefit of this "partnership" with Wallbox, to know what kind of deal I might get, by ordering the hardware, and possible installation, through the Fisker website.

I know this was one of the line items on the questions and answers forum posts (which is a great gathering of information, as it is revealed!).

The retail price of the 40 and 48 amp Wallbox models are $649 and $699 respectively.

After searching on the Fisker website for "Wallbox", I found the pricing listed at $899. for the 48 amp model.  That does not sound much like a partnership that benefits any of us with Ocean One's scheduled to be delivered next year. This is my first EV, and I want to get everything ready for the time when my car arrives, which means getting a contractor to add the circuit, get the permits, and have the job completed, by the end of Q1 2023.

$200 for that Fisker logo does not seem like a "deal" to me...

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@paktechpaul The unit on their site you found is for the Wallbox Pulsar Max (not Plus).  The Max is not available in the U.S.; it is only for sale in Europe.  The Unit they will have here is the Wallbox Pulsar Plus.  They originally had it on their site for $595 but it has been removed.

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Maybe we could take advantage of this topic to discuss something about the electrical installation required, so all of us have an idea about what we need to request to our Electrician (or ourselves), so we know what is needed... the electricians will probably do the job, but in order them to know what they have to do, we need to give them so data about the equipment and specs, so they can suggest us with the installation required according to our needs.

For example:

- If we are going with the 48amps Level2 charger, that means the breaker we probably need to install in the electrical box is 60 amps (48amps +25%), unless we want to configure the EV charger to charge at 40amps instead then, the breaker could be a 50amps one (40amps +25%)

- Is a 150amps home installation enough for these kind of chargers? A 200amps normally has 40 slots, whilst the 150 normally has 30 slots... What's the max amount of amperage I can have all together on the electrical box? Of course, not going to have all the elements running at the same time, but let's say if there's a pool pump, a dryer, the oven, A/C and car charging at the same time during summer, that could be a problem

- Wiring for the installation; which one is best, 6AWG or 4AWG? Should the breaker be better a GFCI?

 

Anybody is welcome to suggest more stuff to keep in mind, so we all can have a better idea about the situation, based on the comments and ideas we are dropping here.

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@Pastiche, I think that would be a great idea, especially for some of the newbies on this site (which may be few).

I am an engineer, and handy with most any project, mechanical, plumbing or electrical.  Getting this charger installed is on the edge of my confidence level, because of the potential for a mistake, and the consequences.  So, I decided to shop this one out.

Here are some things I learned, about getting an electrician to perform this work:

 - They won't install a dedicated charger circuit on a 150 amp breaker box - it must be at least 200 amps (mine is)

 - Wallbox is partnered with a company called Coil (who shops it out to local contractors), and you will get routed in this direction, if you purchase a Wallbox directly from them.

  --- I received a quote from them, to add a 50 amp circuit, run the wire from the breaker box, through the garage wall, and an 8 foot run in conduit, inside the garage, to a 14-50 plug in box.  They will also install the Wallbox unit, 40 amps in this case (9.6 Kw), and get it set up with your Wi-Fi, and initial operation - for $2700 (includes the Wallbox hardware, and permits)

  --- If you want to get the 48 amp model, which is hard wired only, you will need the 60 amp breaker, which is really pushing the limits of a 200 amp box (unless you are well below that, with the installed circuitry).  I have AC (50 amp), electric oven (40 amp), inductive cooktop (50 amp), dryer (30 amp), plus all the 15 and 20 amp circuits throughout the house.

 - The Wallbox has built in load leveling, and GFCI, built in, so if you are using lots of power, and trying to charge the car, it will back off on the charging.

 - I found a local electrician, who will install the breaker, the wiring/conduit, and 14-50 plug box, for $500.  This does not include the city permit, which would double the price - not important to me.  I plan to install the Wallbox charger myself.  The instructions look pretty straight forward (plus YouTube videos).

My plan is to get all of this completed, well in advance of getting my Ocean One (Lock date Feb 27).  I have a couple of friends with EV's, so they will be my Beta testers.  Then, it will sit there gathering dust, until my baby arrives (estimated April).

I will post more, with photos, as I progress.

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@paktechpaul it looks like you bought the Wallbox already, didn't you?
Did you analyze any other EV charger, as the Charge Point with 48amps capacity as well?


   
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Posted by: @pastiche
- If we are going with he 48amps Level2 charger, that means the breaker we probably need to install in the electrical box is 60 amps (48amps +25%), unless we want to configure the EV charger to charge at 40amps instead then, the breaker could be a 50amps one (40amps +25%)
A 50A breaker for 40A charging and 60A for 48A charging is correct.   You don't want steady state current draw to be more than 80% of the breaker's rating.

Posted by: @pastiche
- Is a 150amps home installation enough for these kind of chargers? A 200amps normally has 40 slots, whilst the 150 normally has 30 slots... What's the max amount of amperage I can have all together on the electrical box? Of course, not going to have all the elements running at the same time, but let's say if there's a pool pump, a dryer, the oven, A/C and car charging at the same time during summer, that could be a problem
If your home service is 150A you'll want to total up the worst case power usage on a hot summer day and see what you have left.   Local codes also vary and you can probably get a free quote from a local electrician for whether you can add the charging circuit and be within code without a far more expensive upgrade to 200A service.

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- Wiring for the installation; which one is best, 6AWG or 4AWG? Should the breaker be better a GFCI?
That depends on the length of wire between the breaker box and the outlet.   Here's a calculator: http://www.paigewire.com/pumpWireCalc.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
(Use 3% for allowable voltage drop.)

As for GFCI, if there's an outlet installed in a garage or outdoors, code would require it be GFCI protected.   If it's hardwired, then not required.   Given the cost of 240V GFCI breakers, you'll want to hardwire it!

 


   
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@carlh Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to check this.

I'm re-pasting here the link for the wire calculator, since the one in the message didn't work, but I found the one you were talking about by searching on the main website you provided https://www.paigewire.com/pumpWireCalc.aspx


   
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Posted by: @carlh

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As for GFCI, if there's an outlet installed in a garage or outdoors, code would require it be GFCI protected.   If it's hardwired, then not required.   Given the cost of 240V GFCI breakers, you'll want to hardwire it!

 

Wow! I had no idea. When I had my 14-50 outlet installed in 2017 no GFCI was required. That bumps the installation by $125 just for the breaker (my entire install was only $200 including conduit and outlet)!!!

I would personally still never, in a million years, put in another hardwired EVSE, but the added requirement of GFCI (for those jurisdictions that have adopted the new requirements) definitely adds to the cost! 


   
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Replying to @Pastiche...

Yes, I did do some research on the various wall chargers available.  I definitely wanted a "smart" charger, even though the Ocean can do that internally.  I used reviews and rankings, by some of the EV specialty newsfeeds and websites.

Basically, I found that the Wallbox was usually ranked about #3 on each rating, depending on what was most important to the reviewer.  Some of the Chargers did not put out the power as advertised. some were difficult to manage with the app, some had "stiff" charging cables, you name it.

I had originally wanted to get a 48 (or 50) amp unit, until I was told that I would have to upgrade my breaker box to do that ($3K to $5K).  So, I settled for the 40 amp, and figured I could live with that.  I figure it is going to take up to 10 hours to fully charge the Ocean, now that we have the battery specs.

I also read some reviews about the chargers with plugs being semi-portable, and could be taken on trips - assuming there was a 14-60 plug available.

I have not yet purchased the Wallbox unit, but plan to order it this week.  It kind of came down to - when is good, good enough?

I also learned, from the electrician, that although a charger may be rated for XX amps, that is the max, which only happens during the first phase of the charge, when it is low.  The actual charging current, as it approaches full, slows down considerably, after that.  I guess batteries behave similar to an air compressor - they get the first half of the tank pressure pretty quick, and then take longer to get to the max fill level.

Finally, reading some of the comments on these websites, there were reports of conflicts and false trips, when you had a GFCI circuit breaker installed in front of the fault protection in the charger unit.  Code is code, so some people may have an issue, if this is how they get their unit installed.

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Posted by: @paktechpaul

I also learned, from the electrician, that although a charger may be rated for XX amps, that is the max, which only happens during the first phase of the charge, when it is low.  The actual charging current, as it approaches full, slows down considerably, after that.  I guess batteries behave similar to an air compressor - they get the first half of the tank pressure pretty quick, and then take longer to get to the max fill level.

That really applies to DCFC, not so much for home Level 2 chargers.  The charge current on a level 2 charger will slow down, however, that only happens once you are past 90-95% state of charge which the majority of the time you will not be charging that high.  The large majority of the time, the unit will charge at the rated Amps.

 

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https://store.fiskerinc.com/products/wallbox-pulsar-home-charger?_pos=1&_psq=wa&_ss=e&_v=1.0

Looks like the wallbox home charger is now on sale on the Fisker website 


   
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