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MattyHu
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There seems to be a fair amount of reservation holders that are not pleased with the Option pricing and are opting to walk away. Just curious what the latest reservation total will look like after the dust settles. Will new orders outweigh cancellations?

I am VERY happy that I got a ONE but fully understand those that aren’t. Some of the option prices are crazy high. 


   
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Pastiche
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@mattyhu Yeah, an Extreme with the same options as the ONE (more color options tough), would cost around 14,000$ more, it's ridiculous


   
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lol as if other brands didn’t charge for options. Go spec a model Y that is not white with hubcaps. 


   
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@mattyhu with a One, your all ok. With extreme not so. Remmeber, there is a lot of psychology going on. One owners are whopping at what they perceived to be the value of the "free" options they are getting. Whilst great for One owners, it pi$$es extreme owners as most were not able to opt for a one or willing to pay £5k on faith.

If the extreme has colour and wheel rim choice, I'd be happy. With no colour, wheel rim, no seat colour even rear boot cover costing £150, it starts like HF taking the metal Mickey. 

With cost of living etc... Some people like me who could afford the Extreme may go for other options like EV6 or likely as more available MG-4. Granted it's not on the same level buuuuut it'll do the job of a work commute 32miles each way, which is what the extreme would have done to. 


   
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@mattyhu with a One, your all ok. With extreme not so. Remmeber, there is a lot of psychology going on. One owners are whopping at what they perceived to be the value of the "free" options they are getting. Whilst great for One owners, it pi$$es extreme owners as most were not able to opt for a one or willing to pay £5k on faith.

If the extreme has colour and wheel rim choice, I'd be happy. With no colour, wheel rim, no seat colour even rear boot cover costing £150, it starts like HF taking the metal Mickey. 

With cost of living etc... Some people like me who could afford the Extreme may go for other options like EV6 or likely as more available MG-4. Granted it's not on the same level buuuuut it'll do the job of a work commute 32miles each way, which is what the extreme would have done to. 

 

Well for all you Extreme buyers, and well everyone who doesn't have a One. You can get an R1S dual motor with your colors and the extended range (320 miles) for pretty much the same $ now! ~$80k. Get your orders in, because the R1S is a whole league above the Ocean. In size, capability, and interior. Fisker has entered the price range of much larger, nicer, more luxury EVs. Hard sell

 


   
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@grimtango I saw a Rivian R1T in a showroom at Atlanta the other day and you could smell luxury and nice in every corner of that car...Bad we haven't even been able to compare with a Fisker in detail, not physically, but neither even on a high quality marketing video provided/made by Fisker... 🤨


   
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@grimtango The R1S dual motor is $84k with base paint and interior only.  That is $15k more, not "same $".  Paint/wheels/interiors are extra as well; Paint is $1750-2500; Interior $2000; Wheels $2500-3500.  Maybe options slightly cheaper than the Ocean but still extra.  Ordering today will get you an R1S in 2025.

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@grimtango The R1S dual motor is $84k with base paint and interior only.  That is $15k more, not "same $".  Paint/wheels/interiors are extra as well; Paint is $1750-2500; Interior $2000; Wheels $2500-3500.  Maybe options slightly cheaper than the Ocean but still extra.  Ordering today will get you an R1S in 2025.

With a few nice options... The Ocean (a cross-over SUV) is literally within sneezing distance to the R1S. The R1S is a full size SUV with lots of room, capability, and for more luxurious than the Ocean. I would take the R1S every day of the week when they are this close... The Ocean is a $40k crossover SUV with a bunch of crazy expensive options that most of which are a "promise" to be added later a la Tesla. Not sure you can really make your argument. Keep in mind that Fisker quote doesn't include the crazy expensive delivery fee. Which was what? Nearly $3k?

 

The Rivian is a massive upgrade in vehicle from the Ocean. Its a real SUV, with serious capabilities and luxury all throughout. Would you seriously not buy the R1S over this Ocean extreme??

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 These are similar color and specs that someone shopping for say a green car with a white interior might spec. These are color combos that I would seriously consider buying. After adding another $3k for delivery of the Ocean, the Rivian and Ocean are pretty darn close considering the R1S is leaps and bounds ahead of the Ocean in vehicle class, luxury, and capability. Its a big boy Range Rover vs an Evoque. I would take the R1S, perhaps the Fisker crowd wouldn't. Since Rivian has actually delivered cars, and has been tracking ramp up pretty well so far. Ordering a Rivian R1S would likely land you in the same time frame of delivery as ordering an Extreme today. Assuming of course that the Ocean does not have a massive fall out in interest with these insane prices for a small cross-over SUV. They might be very available at these prices.

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@grimtango I saw a Rivian R1T in a showroom at Atlanta the other day and you could smell luxury and nice in every corner of that car...Bad we haven't even been able to compare with a Fisker in detail, not physically, but neither even on a high quality marketing video provided/made by Fisker... 🤨

If you were at the same point last year with Rivian at SOP you would be saying the same thing. No one had seen or sat in the production version and only employees were getting vehicles, the R1S had not been shown to anyone, etc. 

That said, I love the R1S and am buying one instead of a second Ocean. 

 


   
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I like the Rivian R1S and I got a good close look at an R1T back in May.  But it's way too big for my needs.  A quick run through on the configurator shows a $92k-100k price with options similar that I picked on the Ocean.  The R2S is what I would be interest in, but that's delayed to 2026 or later.  

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Posted by: @mtn-ranger

I like the Rivian R1S and I got a good close look at an R1T back in May.  But it's way too big for my needs.  A quick run through on the configurator shows a $92k-100k price with options similar that I picked on the Ocean.  The R2S is what I would be interest in, but that's delayed to 2026 or later.  

Mind sharing your quote summary for the R1S? Because, the above config is darn close to the Ocean extreme. Not sure how you are getting to 100k and it being similar to the Ocean.

 

Keep in mind that the Dual Motor version (cheapest one) will have a good bit more power than the Ocean. At 600HP 600lb/ft. The quad is nearly 900Hp and tq. Its WAY faster than the Ocean with the Quad motor

 


   
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Posted by: @pastiche

@grimtango I saw a Rivian R1T in a showroom at Atlanta the other day and you could smell luxury and nice in every corner of that car...Bad we haven't even been able to compare with a Fisker in detail, not physically, but neither even on a high quality marketing video provided/made by Fisker... 🤨

If you were at the same point last year with Rivian at SOP you would be saying the same thing. No one had seen or sat in the production version and only employees were getting vehicles, the R1S had not been shown to anyone, etc. 

That said, I love the R1S and am buying one instead of a second Ocean. 

 

 

I am all but completely out for the Ultra. The prices for the Ultra for options are beyond what I thought they would be. I have an old Rivian order still (at the reduced prices) that I will almost certainly go for. It has the "max pack" for the 400+ mile range. That keeps getting delayed, but I could go for the ~330 miles range version and likely get delivery quickly. Its more than I wanted to spend, but feels worth every penny. I test drove a Rivian R1T by invite last year, and it was above expectations in the interior and power dept. The speed was too much honestly. But still a fun show off thing. It leaves you breathless

I think like most people shopping EVs lately, multiple orders are out there seeing which one wins our favor and gets to us first. Its like a little collection. I would have already been sold a Rivian if I didn't select the max pack (which has been delayed). I can always change my order though and have been told it would be filled quickly if I do.

Fisker Ocean Ultra

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Posted by: @grimtango

Posted by: @mtn-ranger

I like the Rivian R1S and I got a good close look at an R1T back in May.  But it's way too big for my needs.  A quick run through on the configurator shows a $92k-100k price with options similar that I picked on the Ocean.  The R2S is what I would be interest in, but that's delayed to 2026 or later.  

Mind sharing your quote summary for the R1S? Because, the above config is darn close to the Ocean extreme. Not sure how you are getting to 100k and it being similar to the Ocean.

 

Keep in mind that the Dual Motor version (cheapest one) will have a good bit more power than the Ocean. At 600HP 600lb/ft. The quad is nearly 900Hp and tq. Its WAY faster than the Ocean with the Quad motor

 

These are wildly different vehicles, but the SeaGrass and the Forest Green are comparable gloss metallic paints. (Stealth is a specialty matte.) If you bump both the Ocean and Rivian wheels to 22" and you keep the same stock black vegan leather in both, you get $89,250 vs $73,699 for the dual motor R1S large pack Forest Green Black Mountain with 22" black wheels vs the Ocean Extreme Seagrass 22" black air gliders and black abyss. If you take both down to stock wheels (21s and 20s) you get $85,750 vs $70,450. 

There is about a $15k difference between the dual motor R1S and the Ocean Extreme. 

If you have grandfathered Rivian pricing you are crazy not to buy one vs the Ocean. If you do not, IMO Rivian is worth the extra money but only if you need the capabilities / space. 

 


   
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Posted by: @grimtango

Posted by: @mtn-ranger

I like the Rivian R1S and I got a good close look at an R1T back in May.  But it's way too big for my needs.  A quick run through on the configurator shows a $92k-100k price with options similar that I picked on the Ocean.  The R2S is what I would be interest in, but that's delayed to 2026 or later.  

Mind sharing your quote summary for the R1S? Because, the above config is darn close to the Ocean extreme. Not sure how you are getting to 100k and it being similar to the Ocean.

 

Keep in mind that the Dual Motor version (cheapest one) will have a good bit more power than the Ocean. At 600HP 600lb/ft. The quad is nearly 900Hp and tq. Its WAY faster than the Ocean with the Quad motor

 

These are wildly different vehicles, but the SeaGrass and the Forest Green are comparable gloss metallic paints. (Stealth is a specialty matte.) If you bump both the Ocean and Rivian wheels to 22" and you keep the same stock black vegan leather in both, you get $89,250 vs $73,699 for the dual motor R1S large pack Forest Green Black Mountain with 22" black wheels vs the Ocean Extreme Seagrass 22" black air gliders and black abyss. If you take both down to stock wheels (21s and 20s) you get $85,750 vs $70,450. 

There is about a $15k difference between the dual motor R1S and the Ocean Extreme. 

If you have grandfathered Rivian pricing you are crazy not to buy one vs the Ocean. If you do not, IMO Rivian is worth the extra money but only if you need the capabilities / space. 

 

 

Not true. You need to add in key fob, floor mats, and towing package to compare. The Rivian comes with all that. Even without that, the Ocean is still more expensive that you are claiming. Be accurate, and give screen shots of configurations. Its not hard, and if we are comparing real prices here its only fair.

 

So here we have a full size 7 seater SUV with much nicer materials and quality than is expected in the Ocean. The Rivian comes with better looking wheels and larger rims by default too.

Then lets factor in the $3k delivery fees Ocean buyers are on deck to pay, and we are now sitting at $77k for the Ocean Extreme with stock wheels. According to Rivian's configurator, their listed prices include destination and handling (was $1000 before the price increase, expected to be $1500 now but included in the price estimates). $10k when looking in this price class for vehicles is not much. They would be clearly listed as competitors of each other in the same price class. I would certainly pay $10k more for a Range Rover over an Evoque. That is what we are comparing here. The Ocean is a small designer cross-over SUV. The R1S is a large full-size 7 seater luxury designer SUV for $10k more. If you are also pushing "premium paint" and wheel upgrades into your Ocean, you would have to be a lunatic to buy that over the R1S. These prices don't work, they are way to expensive for Fisker to sell these in any real numbers when you are that close to the likes of Rivian and others in the segment. Just knowing the Rivian works and is great in nearly every way with the Ocean being a big ? is massive. The Ocean is in trouble with the software shop that Henrik has running. People can't even get their apps to work reliably, much less rely on that for their Key... Not to mention the other risks and unkowns with Fisker still (mostly software related). For less than $10k more you get a real SUV with everything working from day 1. None of this "Q4 2023" or "coming in 2024" business.

The Ocean spec'd at anything above their base price (The price of the One) is not good or competitive. Those who will spec out their Ocean and pay over $80k for one are making mistakes. The One with its options and choices at $69k is at the limit of reasonable. Many people appear to agree with that sentiment based on the complaints of all non One buyers. The upgrades for basics like CC on the Ultra are a joke. 

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@ttrinchi Wish they would just order and stop the b*tching. It would calm their nerves and stave off future health problems. 💔


   
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